<div> or <seg> or ...

Mi Nov 10 18:15:14 CET 2004

Salut Gautier, hello to everybody,

the more I think about your concept the more I like it:

It seems to fit perfectly to the TEI concept to take the single 
charter as a single text maybe being part of corpus (<group>) maybe 
not. Therefore I would suggest to the TEI to allow a type-attribute 
for the <text>-element.

I'm less happy with your suggestion to encode the metadata as a 
<front>-element. It is right that one can take the regestum as some 
front matter to the charter in a scholarly edition. But talking about 
works like the Regesta imperii they would contain only front matters -
 and some front matter to the collection of front matters.

I think the metadata is more something like the <msDescription>. It 
contains text representing real world informations on the charter or -
 to acuminate it - just representing the charter itself as many 
historians would take the abstract for the charter itself. 

So I would follow the suggestion of Michael Margolin to make the 
distinction between metadata (<regestum>) and text (<tenor>) with 
dedicated elements:

<text type="document">
	<body>
	<regestum>
		abstract, witnesslist, <listBibl type="...">, diplomatic analysis 
...
	</regestum>
	<tenor>
		<div type="protocol">
			<div type="Invocatio">In nomine sanctae et individuae 
trinitatis</div> <div type="Intitulatio">Heinricus <cl type="clausula 
devotionis">divina favente clementia</cl> romanorum imperator</div>	
...
		</div>
		...
	</tenor>
	</body>
</text>

But I'm willing to change my mind :-)

Best wishes

Georg

On 9 Nov 2004 at 19:28, Gautier Poupeau wrote:

> m.margolin at utoronto.ca a écrit :
> 
> >Hi everybody,
> >
> >1. <div> vs. <seg>
> >        My suggestion to use <seg> for diplomatic parts encoding is
> >        based solely
> >on the TEI definition stating that <seg> marks a text fragment and
> >that exactly what the diplomatic part is. On the other hand <div> is
> >more generic by definition and may contain some meta data along with
> >the text.
> > I think that we should always seek the balance between specific and
> > generic.
> >The prize of being to generic would be a performance penalty on the
> >any kind of information retrievals. On the other hand any attempt to
> >enumerate content of the data (for example to use precisely named
> >element inside of the <tenor> can lead to making encoding to
> >restrictive and essentially not applicable.
> >    Therefore  I suggest to use <div type=document>  instead of
> >    <document> ,
> >keep <tenor> because of its unambiguous meaning and use <seg> to
> >encode any diplomatic part on any level.
> >
> The <seg> element isn't accurate, because it can't contain the <p>
> element. Though you can have several paragraphs in a diplomatic part.
> For the <div type=document>, i prefer the <text> element as I explain
> in my preceding mail. The advantage of this element is you can have a
> <text> element for each charter. If you have one single document, you
> have this structure : <tei.2>
>     <teiHeader>
>     <teiHeader>
>     <text>
>        <front>
>           Metadata and analysis of the charter
>        </front>
>        <body>
>           List of witnesses and bibliography and the edited text of
>           charter
>        </body>
>        <back>
>           appended document
>        </back>
> </teI.2>
> If you have a cartulary, you can use the <group> element instead of
> <body>, so you have : <tei.2>
>     <teiHeader>
>     </teiHeader>
>     <front>
>        Introduction and presentation of cartulary
>     </front>
>     <group>
>        <text>
>              .....The same structure for on charter
>        </text>
>           .... Much as <text> element as charter
>     </group>
>     <back>
>        appended documents for the cartulary
>     </back>
> </tei.2>
> 
> Gautier
> 

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