Dear list, I send this in behalf of Gautier Poupeau. You can find the mentioned documents at http://www.cei.lmu.de/poupeau/ Georg Gautier Poupeau wrote: Dear all, Luciana's proposals are interresting and I understand these problems. However, I find we must work step by step (if we speak about ISO standard before to know what is CEI, it's prematurate, I think, as we say in french : "il ne faut pas mettre la charrue avant les bœufs" ;-) ). So, I make you some ideas to try to work step by step. Last time in Munich, we saw we agreed about the different informations we want to encode, but we disagreed about the name of elements or the re-use of TEI. Today, I think it's a false problem or, rather, it's not the principal problem. I think the first step is to define all information we want to encode (all persons, all periods, all type of charters...), to classify them and to define tem. We must to success to agree with this list. With this list and this classification, we obtain a conceptual model to describe charters with the different problematic (archive science, edition, digitalisation, diplomatic perspectives...). This conceptual model is our reference and if we don't use the same name to our elements, it's not so a problem if each element corresponds with this model. There are different ways to classify our different informations, for example : - external information (caractères externes) : regestum, bibliography, analysis, witness list, description of witness... ; so the metadata - internal information (caractères internes) : body of charters, the different diplomatic part of charters, physical information (hands, inks, seals, lines...)...; the data We can also classify between the analysis by the scholar (regestum, different diplomatic part, place identification) and the charter itself (text, witness, physical informations)... I'm pretty sure we can classify these different informations with another system. I put in attachments of this e-mail the text of a conference I made in École normale supérieure in Lyon with linguists. In this paper, I try to propose a conceptual model to describe charters. Evidently, it's just for the idea and I'm sorry but this text is in french... I'm sure I won't have time to explain this classification for my paper in Munich (Georg already told me he will be inflexible with the time and I'm gossip ;-) ), so I think it can help us for this preliminary discussion. The second step is to see if we can agree about element names (attributes name and very important : attribute value, if we have to normalise this information). But, i'm sure that will be very complicated, because each country, each scholars, archivists, librarians... are their habits and their interpretation of a specific stuff. The third step, as Patrick said (and I thank you), is to try to have a conformance with TEI. With the last version of TEI (P5), we have a system to adapt TEI with our needs : ODD, I will explain this system in my paper and you will see we can change easily TEI and keep the conformance with guidelines. ODD may be a solution to agree all people. ODD has an another advantage. With an ODD file, we can generate a DTD, XML schema and Relax NG file, so the problem described by Patrick doesn't exist in this case. For my paper and for CEI meeting, I'm going to begin to make this work with ODD and the tag library proposed by Georg. The next steps, I think we will see if we success these first steps ;-) Best wishes Gautier Poupeau Georg Vogeler a écrit :
Dear List,
Patrick Sahle wrote:
Do you think, you could extract from the DTD a list of those elements (element names) which you feel uncomfortable with? Together with proposals for better names? Luciana already did that, and I compiled it into the comments to the online-Version of the tag-library. That's the place where I keep track of any comment you make, and http://www.cei.lmu.de/all_elements.php will be the handout for our meeting ...
So just send me (or the list) your comments and we will see what happens ...
All the best
Georg Vogeler
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