Hello CEI-L, regarding the <note> entry in the tag library on the CEI web site -- The word or phrase of the running text which is being annotated could be enclosed by the NOTE element, while the footnote body would be the value of an attribute named say CONTENT. This syntax can be easily transformed into HTML or TeX/PDF. Since the footnote body is given within the running text, there is no need of a footnote reference or ID attribute. The footnote marker would be generated by the transformation. Best regards, Gerhard Schön ITG/LMU
First, excuse me for my english. The idea of using <note> is good, but not for all use and not like you want. First, we have lots of informations who can be annotated : historical informations, critical apparatus, identification, bibliographical references and the element <note> must not use for all this informations. For example, i use <note> for historical information, identifications and eventually bibliographical references. But I use the elements dedicated for critical apparatus (<app>, <sic>, <add>... cf my communication in Münich), it's very important to separate this differents informations. Second, i am not ok to use the element <note> like you propose. There is two problems : - Your utilisation is not compatible with TEI, who enclose the footnote body in the NOTE element and reference a point in the text. it's logical. - If you put the footnote body in an attribute, you can't markup this footnote body with elements, because in XML we can't have an element in an attribute. And lots of time, we need to indicate a title or others informations in the footnote body. So, if i am understanding well, you want a mean of interpreting or annotating the text, i recommand you to looking the chapter 15 of TEI guideliness : Simple Analytic Mechanisms and, in particular, spans and interpretations : http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/AI.html#AISP for the historical interpretations. For the critical apparatus, i recommand you to looking the chapters 18 and 19 and you can see how we do in our editions (http://elec.enc.sorbonne.fr/cartulaireblanc/rueil.xml, this edition is not finished, please, don't diffuse this URL). You can use too the element <persName> and <placeName> for the identifications. Best regards, Gautier Poupeau Gerhard Schoen a écrit :
Hello CEI-L,
regarding the <note> entry in the tag library on the CEI web site --
The word or phrase of the running text which is being annotated could be enclosed by the NOTE element, while the footnote body would be the value of an attribute named say CONTENT.
This syntax can be easily transformed into HTML or TeX/PDF. Since the footnote body is given within the running text, there is no need of a footnote reference or ID attribute. The footnote marker would be generated by the transformation.
Best regards,
Gerhard Schön ITG/LMU
I cannot see the problem or why we should adress it here. <note> is a typical and well established TEI-Tag with a clear semantic, described in TEI-P4, chapter 6.8.1. I quote a portion of the definition: A note is any additional comment found in a text, marked in some way as being out of the main textual stream. All notes should be marked using the same tag, <note>, whether they appear as block notes in the main text area, at the foot of the page, at the end of the chapter or volume, in the margin, or in some other place. I don't like the TEI-Concept of <note>. I even less like the TEI-Concept of <app> (Apparatus). But the point is: there are no special types of notes (or apparatus) in the edition of charters. We should stick to the TEI-Tag <note> (and <app>) as long as there is no particular need for a new element, which can only be based on special needs for the encoding of charters or the edition of charters. cheers, patrick ___________________________________________________________________ Universität zu Köln Historisch-Kulturwissenschaftliche Informationsverarbeitung Albertus-Magnus-Platz 50923 Koeln http://www.hki.uni-koeln.de/ Privat: Häuschensweg 2a 50827 Köln 0049 - (0)221 - 2805695 Sahle@uni-koeln.de http://www.uni-koeln.de/~ahz26/
Just a precision, i'm agree with you, Patrick, but you can have different type of notes in the edition of charter and you can refine your XML files. I think it's just a possibility. Like we say in french : "appelons un chat un chat" (call a cat a cat). For the paper edition, we use two different notes : - the historical notes with a number for the call of note - the critical apparatus with a letter for the call of note. But this two different notes are in really lots of information, and you can use differents elements to markup this information. In the historical notes, you can have : - a bibliographical reference for a citation: <cit><quote>the citation in the text</quote><bibl>bibliographical references</bibl></cit> : http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ref-CIT.html - an historical interpretation and you can use the analytic mechanisms : http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/AI.html - an identification : <persName>the name of person</persName>, <geogName> or <name> and you have a link with a crossref (ID, IDREF) with a glossary in back of your edition. http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ND.html (you can see an exemple in this TEI files : http://elec.enc.sorbonne.fr/Corbie/corbie.xml). In the critical apparatus, you can have : - a textual variant : <app><lem>the edited text</lem><rdg>the different reading</rdg></app> - a copist's or scribus' error : <sic corr="the correction of the editor">the error</sic> - a marginal glose : <add> - a restitution by the editor : <supplied></supplied> - an hole in the text : <gap/> - a detail about a witness : <witDetail></witDetail> - a passage deleted, marked : <del></del> There are another informations, but i advice you to look the chapter 18 of the TEI guideliness : Transcription of primary sources http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/PH.html Best regards, Gautier Patrick Sahle a écrit :
I cannot see the problem or why we should adress it here. <note> is a typical and well established TEI-Tag with a clear semantic, described in TEI-P4, chapter 6.8.1. I quote a portion of the definition:
A note is any additional comment found in a text, marked in some way as being out of the main textual stream. All notes should be marked using the same tag, <note>, whether they appear as block notes in the main text area, at the foot of the page, at the end of the chapter or volume, in the margin, or in some other place.
I don't like the TEI-Concept of <note>. I even less like the TEI-Concept of <app> (Apparatus). But the point is: there are no special types of notes (or apparatus) in the edition of charters. We should stick to the TEI-Tag <note> (and <app>) as long as there is no particular need for a new element, which can only be based on special needs for the encoding of charters or the edition of charters.
cheers, patrick ___________________________________________________________________ Universität zu Köln Historisch-Kulturwissenschaftliche Informationsverarbeitung Albertus-Magnus-Platz 50923 Koeln http://www.hki.uni-koeln.de/
Privat: Häuschensweg 2a 50827 Köln 0049 - (0)221 - 2805695 Sahle@uni-koeln.de http://www.uni-koeln.de/~ahz26/
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't talking about different kinds of notes in editions. Of course there are a lot of types of notes. The question is: is there a type of note which only occurs in the edition of charters (and not in the more general editions) - which would be the only reason not to stick to the TEI elements. patrick At 00:12 07.07.04 +0200, you wrote:
Just a precision, i'm agree with you, Patrick, but you can have different type of notes in the edition of charter and you can refine your XML files. I think it's just a possibility. Like we say in french : "appelons un chat un chat" (call a cat a cat). For the paper edition, we use two different notes : - the historical notes with a number for the call of note - the critical apparatus with a letter for the call of note.
But this two different notes are in really lots of information, and you can use differents elements to markup this information. In the historical notes, you can have : - a bibliographical reference for a citation: <cit><quote>the citation in the text</quote><bibl>bibliographical references</bibl></cit> : http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ref-CIT.html - an historical interpretation and you can use the analytic mechanisms : http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/AI.html - an identification : <persName>the name of person</persName>, <geogName> or <name> and you have a link with a crossref (ID, IDREF) with a glossary in back of your edition. http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ND.html (you can see an exemple in this TEI files : http://elec.enc.sorbonne.fr/Corbie/corbie.xml).
In the critical apparatus, you can have : - a textual variant : <app><lem>the edited text</lem><rdg>the different reading</rdg></app> - a copist's or scribus' error : <sic corr="the correction of the editor">the error</sic> - a marginal glose : <add> - a restitution by the editor : <supplied></supplied> - an hole in the text : <gap/> - a detail about a witness : <witDetail></witDetail> - a passage deleted, marked : <del></del> There are another informations, but i advice you to look the chapter 18 of the TEI guideliness : Transcription of primary sources http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/PH.html
Best regards, Gautier
Patrick Sahle a écrit :
I cannot see the problem or why we should adress it here. <note> is a typical and well established TEI-Tag with a clear semantic, described in TEI-P4, chapter 6.8.1. I quote a portion of the definition:
A note is any additional comment found in a text, marked in some way as being out of the main textual stream. All notes should be marked using the same tag, <note>, whether they appear as block notes in the main text area, at the foot of the page, at the end of the chapter or volume, in the margin, or in some other place.
I don't like the TEI-Concept of <note>. I even less like the TEI-Concept of <app> (Apparatus). But the point is: there are no special types of notes (or apparatus) in the edition of charters. We should stick to the TEI-Tag <note> (and <app>) as long as there is no particular need for a new element, which can only be based on special needs for the encoding of charters or the edition of charters.
cheers, patrick ___________________________________________________________________ Universität zu Köln Historisch-Kulturwissenschaftliche Informationsverarbeitung Albertus-Magnus-Platz 50923 Koeln http://www.hki.uni-koeln.de/
Privat: Häuschensweg 2a 50827 Köln 0049 - (0)221 - 2805695 Sahle@uni-koeln.de http://www.uni-koeln.de/~ahz26/
___________________________________________________________________ Universität zu Köln Historisch-Kulturwissenschaftliche Informationsverarbeitung Albertus-Magnus-Platz 50923 Koeln http://www.hki.uni-koeln.de/ Privat: Häuschensweg 2a 50827 Köln 0049 - (0)221 - 2805695 Sahle@uni-koeln.de http://www.uni-koeln.de/~ahz26/
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Gautier Poupeau
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Gerhard Schoen
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Patrick Sahle