This mail from Paolo Buonora wasn't delivered to the list: -------- Original-Nachricht -------- From: "Paolo Buonora" <paolo.buonora@beniculturali.it> To: <cei-l@lists.lrz-muenchen.de> Subject: Re: Experiment with CEI.dtd Dear all, as in my paper I will only discuss about techniques, I will try to say something now about this interesting debate. At the Internazional Conference "Old Archives - New Technologies", in Vienna-Göttweig, 19-21 Ottobre 2005, I tried to give a very simple definition of charter, i.e. « A long lasting document with legal value ». So, concerning the very interesting Duranti-Vogeler discussion, in the "formal" (Georg) aspects I would include durability of the material support (parchment). To me, a charter is not an abstract thing that has physical manifestations: it is an object with a physical form and a linguistic-legal content, that we can - of course - consider in an abstract way. As Patrich Sahe pointed out, this content can be the same in different copies/versions, which can be represented in a one-to-many relationship, or also may have variations, and this variations of content may also have different copies/versions, and this more complez situation can be represented in a many-to-many relationship. I will not enter in the problem of the best metadata set for charters as I am an archivist, and I am not at all expert of diplomatics, but I see no reason why the same item should not be described in a lot of different ways: the archival one, the diplomatist including the CEI initiative, Dublin Core, CIDOC, etc. Remember that the archival ISAD (G) standard "contains general rules for archival description that may be applied irrespective of the form or medium of the archival material. The rules contained in this standard do not give guidance on the description of special materials such as seals, sound recordings, or maps. Manuals setting out descriptive rules for such materials already exist. This standard should be used in conjunction with these manuals to enable appropriate description of special materials" (ISAD-G, Introduction, 1.4, available at: http://www.ica.org/biblio.php?pdocid=1) So my proposal is to link the digital object to any possible description - but to keep the description outside, externally. If we agree simply on an administrative-managing metadata framework like METS, we will be able to manage the same digital and choose any different descriptive metadata set we need. Paolo Buonora Italian State Archives ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georg Vogeler" <G.Vogeler@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> To: <cei-l@lists.lrz-muenchen.de> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Experiment with CEI.dtd

Dear Gautier,

that's pity that the DTD doesn't work - XMLSpy hadn't any problem.

The hierarchie of the DTD is really easy: There isn't any at all. Every element can be part of any other.

All elements of the DTD at the moment are documented at

http://www.cei.lmu.de/all_elements.php

hth

Georg

Gautier Poupeau schrieb:

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Hello,

I tried to use CEI DTD available on CEI website, but I didn't success to use it. I think there is a problem in DTD file. I use XML oxygen, this software shows available elements in a node and <text> and <charter> elements aren't available in <CEI> root element. Evidently, if I use this element, I can't validate my XML file. So I can't use it and study the hierarchical structure (or i don't understand). Georg, can you explain the structure you thought ? Or can you classify different elements you propose in tag library ? Thank you. Best wishes Gautier

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