charters numbers only as attributes ?

[Michael Margolin]

Hi,

Re: Charter number:

    I think the more appropriate term for the charter number would be a
charter identifier (in short "id")  that could be any combination of letters
and digits. Such identifier when it is present in the cartulary might be
encoded exactly as it appears in the text as an element (probably with some
attributes).
    There is also TEI element that could be used for that purpose called
"idno".

    I see now need to encode any artificial identifier (like charter number)
because it can be easily generated dynamically as a combination of original
identifier and storage identifier (like database "Row Id", etc.)

Michael Margolin,
DEEDS Project,
University of Toronto

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christian-Emil Ore" <c.e.s.ore at edd.uio.no>
To: <cei-l at lists.lrz-muenchen.de>; <cei-l at lists.lrz-muenchen.de>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: charters numbers only as attributes ?


> Hi
> num is an element for marking a number (cardinal). The text streng inside
a
> num need not to be a string of digits, could be i (square root of -1) or a
> roman number. In the printed series of regests (Regesta Norvegica) or the
> printed edition of Diplomatarium Norvegicum) some times a letter is added
> to the running number because a diploma may consist of two charters
> connected with a seal band or because there are two or more later vidisses
> (copies). Thus at least for our purpose it will not be right to use num. I
> don't have any good alternatives at the moment. In Norway we are using the
> number (with possible letters) from the printed editions as a kind of
> global identifiers when one refers to a given charter in a scolarly paper
> or book.
>
> Best,
> Christian-Emil
>
>
> At 12:08 13.11.2004, Patrick Sahle wrote:
>
> ><num>-element
> >
> >There are two possibilities:
> >1.) We simply recommend to use it for the described purposes (running
> >number of a charter in a collection)
> >2.) We aim on estabishing a new element. It seems to me, that <num> as
> >defined in P4 isn't exactly what we are talking about. IN P4 it's
extremely
> >generic and it's not connected to any specific semantic meaning - as it
is
> >in our case. In P4 it means "this is a number" (like: "this is a word"),
> >but not "this is the (running) number of an object"
> >
> >Uh, and I forgot the third possibility: use <num> and a specific (yet to
> >define) attribute ...
> >
> >cheers,
> >
> >patrick
> >
> >At 18:29 12.11.04 +0100, you wrote:
> > >Oh, that's good news. That means we would have to find an appropiate
> > >word for the type. What about: "reference"?
> > >
> > >Best wishes
> > >
> > >Georg
> > >
> > >On 12 Nov 2004 at 17:59, Gautier Poupeau wrote:
> > >
> > >> Georg Vogeler a écrit :
> > >>
> > >> >Hi everybody,
> > >> >
> > >> >Gautier's and Patrick's contributions bring me back to the
suggestion
> > >> > of a dedicated element <num> in the CEI proposal for the TEI. It
> > >> >might be good for the TEI to have that element for other projects to
> > >> >as digitising existing prints seems to me a common enterprise.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> This <num> element already exists :
> > >> http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ref-NUM.html : " contains a number, written
> > >> in any form". There is a "type" attribute.
> > >>
> > >> Gautier
> > >
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