charters numbers only as attributes ?

[Christian-Emil Ore]

On the other hand, we need an element for charter numbers in printed 
editions, see the (annotated in Norwegian) facsimile of a page from 
Diplomatarium Norvegicum. The printed edtion has the following format:

summary
source information
number date place
text
addenda

In a proper TEI encode text the number should be marked as an element, but 
I don't think num is the right (I may be wrong). When we marked up the 
entire collection back in the early 1990'ies, we used a home made dtd.

Best,
Christian-Emil


At 21:07 15.11.2004, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Re: Charter number:
>
>     I think the more appropriate term for the charter number would be a
>charter identifier (in short "id")  that could be any combination of letters
>and digits. Such identifier when it is present in the cartulary might be
>encoded exactly as it appears in the text as an element (probably with some
>attributes).
>     There is also TEI element that could be used for that purpose called
>"idno".
>
>     I see now need to encode any artificial identifier (like charter number)
>because it can be easily generated dynamically as a combination of original
>identifier and storage identifier (like database "Row Id", etc.)
>
>Michael Margolin,
>DEEDS Project,
>University of Toronto
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christian-Emil Ore" <c.e.s.ore at edd.uio.no>
>To: <cei-l at lists.lrz-muenchen.de>; <cei-l at lists.lrz-muenchen.de>
>Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM
>Subject: Re: charters numbers only as attributes ?
>
>
> > Hi
> > num is an element for marking a number (cardinal). The text streng inside
>a
> > num need not to be a string of digits, could be i (square root of -1) or a
> > roman number. In the printed series of regests (Regesta Norvegica) or the
> > printed edition of Diplomatarium Norvegicum) some times a letter is added
> > to the running number because a diploma may consist of two charters
> > connected with a seal band or because there are two or more later vidisses
> > (copies). Thus at least for our purpose it will not be right to use num. I
> > don't have any good alternatives at the moment. In Norway we are using the
> > number (with possible letters) from the printed editions as a kind of
> > global identifiers when one refers to a given charter in a scolarly paper
> > or book.
> >
> > Best,
> > Christian-Emil
> >
> >
> > At 12:08 13.11.2004, Patrick Sahle wrote:
> >
> > ><num>-element
> > >
> > >There are two possibilities:
> > >1.) We simply recommend to use it for the described purposes (running
> > >number of a charter in a collection)
> > >2.) We aim on estabishing a new element. It seems to me, that <num> as
> > >defined in P4 isn't exactly what we are talking about. IN P4 it's
>extremely
> > >generic and it's not connected to any specific semantic meaning - as it
>is
> > >in our case. In P4 it means "this is a number" (like: "this is a word"),
> > >but not "this is the (running) number of an object"
> > >
> > >Uh, and I forgot the third possibility: use <num> and a specific (yet to
> > >define) attribute ...
> > >
> > >cheers,
> > >
> > >patrick
> > >
> > >At 18:29 12.11.04 +0100, you wrote:
> > > >Oh, that's good news. That means we would have to find an appropiate
> > > >word for the type. What about: "reference"?
> > > >
> > > >Best wishes
> > > >
> > > >Georg
> > > >
> > > >On 12 Nov 2004 at 17:59, Gautier Poupeau wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Georg Vogeler a écrit :
> > > >>
> > > >> >Hi everybody,
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Gautier's and Patrick's contributions bring me back to the
>suggestion
> > > >> > of a dedicated element <num> in the CEI proposal for the TEI. It
> > > >> >might be good for the TEI to have that element for other projects to
> > > >> >as digitising existing prints seems to me a common enterprise.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> This <num> element already exists :
> > > >> http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ref-NUM.html : " contains a number, written
> > > >> in any form". There is a "type" attribute.
> > > >>
> > > >> Gautier
> > > >
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