charters numbers only as attributes ?

[Patrick Sahle]

I'd support that. Let's use <idno> for the given numbering. 

Best, 

Patrick

At 15:07 15.11.04 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Re: Charter number:
>
>    I think the more appropriate term for the charter number would be a
>charter identifier (in short "id")  that could be any combination of letters
>and digits. Such identifier when it is present in the cartulary might be
>encoded exactly as it appears in the text as an element (probably with some
>attributes).
>    There is also TEI element that could be used for that purpose called
>"idno".
>
>    I see now need to encode any artificial identifier (like charter number)
>because it can be easily generated dynamically as a combination of original
>identifier and storage identifier (like database "Row Id", etc.)
>
>Michael Margolin,
>DEEDS Project,
>University of Toronto
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Christian-Emil Ore" <c.e.s.ore at edd.uio.no>
>To: <cei-l at lists.lrz-muenchen.de>; <cei-l at lists.lrz-muenchen.de>
>Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM
>Subject: Re: charters numbers only as attributes ?
>
>
>> Hi
>> num is an element for marking a number (cardinal). The text streng inside
>a
>> num need not to be a string of digits, could be i (square root of -1) or a
>> roman number. In the printed series of regests (Regesta Norvegica) or the
>> printed edition of Diplomatarium Norvegicum) some times a letter is added
>> to the running number because a diploma may consist of two charters
>> connected with a seal band or because there are two or more later vidisses
>> (copies). Thus at least for our purpose it will not be right to use num. I
>> don't have any good alternatives at the moment. In Norway we are using the
>> number (with possible letters) from the printed editions as a kind of
>> global identifiers when one refers to a given charter in a scolarly paper
>> or book.
>>
>> Best,
>> Christian-Emil
>>
>>
>> At 12:08 13.11.2004, Patrick Sahle wrote:
>>
>> ><num>-element
>> >
>> >There are two possibilities:
>> >1.) We simply recommend to use it for the described purposes (running
>> >number of a charter in a collection)
>> >2.) We aim on estabishing a new element. It seems to me, that <num> as
>> >defined in P4 isn't exactly what we are talking about. IN P4 it's
>extremely
>> >generic and it's not connected to any specific semantic meaning - as it
>is
>> >in our case. In P4 it means "this is a number" (like: "this is a word"),
>> >but not "this is the (running) number of an object"
>> >
>> >Uh, and I forgot the third possibility: use <num> and a specific (yet to
>> >define) attribute ...
>> >
>> >cheers,
>> >
>> >patrick
>> >
>> >At 18:29 12.11.04 +0100, you wrote:
>> > >Oh, that's good news. That means we would have to find an appropiate
>> > >word for the type. What about: "reference"?
>> > >
>> > >Best wishes
>> > >
>> > >Georg
>> > >
>> > >On 12 Nov 2004 at 17:59, Gautier Poupeau wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Georg Vogeler a écrit :
>> > >>
>> > >> >Hi everybody,
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Gautier's and Patrick's contributions bring me back to the
>suggestion
>> > >> > of a dedicated element <num> in the CEI proposal for the TEI. It
>> > >> >might be good for the TEI to have that element for other projects to
>> > >> >as digitising existing prints seems to me a common enterprise.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> This <num> element already exists :
>> > >> http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ref-NUM.html : " contains a number, written
>> > >> in any form". There is a "type" attribute.
>> > >>
>> > >> Gautier
>> > >
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